in addition to coaching governor romney, he's worked with john mccain and president george w. bush. nice to have you on the program. >> good to be with you. jenna: for some of our viewers, how does one become an expert debate coach? did you start out on the debate team in high school? how did you become a coach? >> well, you know, i was in the right place at the right time. i didn't debate until i got to college, and then i decided to make debate a career. i coached for 18 years at liberty university and happened to meet karl rove. i knew that they had, that john kerry was using bob shrum as their debate coach and said to karl rove, you need a debate coach for the president, and he hired me. and that was my first job in politics, was coaching president bush. jenna: fascinating, karl rove surfaces again somewhere out there. >> with the mastermind of all. [laughter] jenna: you know, i didn't ever participate in the debate team. one of the things i did was play sports, and you watch game tape, right? you watch a lot of film. we just showed film of reagan and carter, and i'm curious, do